Mac Haters are Often Just Ignorant
Typically I hear people who don't like Macs ramble on about how the OS is just eye-candy, "pretty doesn't make fast" and other subjective nonsense based on no facts whatsoever. But sometimes people ramble on and complain about shit that is just plain incorrect.
In a recent TechSpot article, Julio Franco does such a thing. I'll address each one of his statements...
After all, what good a computer is if it can't run over 80% of the software available out there, it's slow, not to mention way overpriced? (the last which still remains true today).
See, this is the way people think for some reason and I'm not sure what it's based on. The truth is, most major software packages are available for Mac and PC. Beyond that, sure there are thousands of crappy little Windows shareware apps that comprise a huge amount of the software market. Problem is, no one on Windows would want to run them, much less anyone on Mac or Linux.
If these are the apps he's talking about when coming up with his 80% figure, then it makes sense, but it paints a very inaccurate picture. There are also thousands of Mac only apps by 3rd party developers. The truth is, there's no significant difference in software selection between the platforms. You might not find the same titles once you move beyond the big boys, but you will find equivalents or often times improved options on Mac for little apps.
Then he says they're slow? Oh, I can't even open this one up, but they've always been of comparable speed. Barefeats has some good floating point comparisons of chips and when you compare the G5 to other chips of its generation, you find very similar results, and even many where the G5 comes out ahead.
Overpriced is also madness. Take the new iMac 20" and let's compare it to Dell's XPS 200 which is similar in specs...

So the iMac is $71 more than the Dell. I wouldn't call that way overpriced. Also, notice that the iMac has a more powerful video card, includes Bluetooth, has the newest generation Core Duo vs the older Pentium D, and it comes with a remote control for media-center functions. Still think Macs are "way" overpriced?
Nevertheless it is hard for me to stand comments on how Windows is not getting an overhaul after several years, while OS X has. Well, at $130 for each cosmetic update and add-on you give to your OS, Apple’s updates are far from being perfect.
It's clear that this guy has not used 10.3 and then upgraded to 10.4 to witness the changes. Sure there are cosmetic changes, but they also added Spotlight, Dashboard, Automator, Core Image, Core Video, Smart Folders, Burn Folders, and almost 200 other under the hood changes in Tiger. That's hardly a cosmetic release. It's far more than Windows has seen in the past 6 years.
Not to mention we PC users are used to see thousands of application releases every month from developers worldwide, so we don’t have to depend on the OS provider for new added functionality (e.g. Desktop search is one of the latest big features in OS X, which can also be done in the PC through the use of free tools from Google, MSN or Copernic).
This is laughable. Windows doesn't have to depend on "any" new software from Micrsoft, that's very true. I don't think the fact that so much is bundled with OS X and new machines (in terms of software) is a bad thing. But to compare Spotlight to desktop search from any vendors he mentions is silly. Spotlight is integrated meta-search, and if it was just the same as what Google offers, then why is Microsoft building an almost exact replica of Spotlight into the upcoming Vista OS? Hmmm.
Give OS X at least a decent share of the pie (which it lacks), and we wouldn’t have to wait long until malware and viruses for the platform start popping everywhere and in quantities. Not to justify Microsoft’s petty efforts on combating malware in XP, but that doesn’t make Apple a better company.
No doubt that attacks will increase as OS X's market share increases, but to say that's the reason Windows suffers is again misleading. The registry in Windows is a great hiding place for all things bad. It's much harder for apps to hide in OSX, and that's a significant reason why it's less of a target. I think OS X will handle attacks much better than Windows ever did.
After Apple’s continued failure to prove themselves better and faster than PCs, they feel obliged to move to x86 technology.
The G5 chip was a very powerful and fast chip. When you compare it to the Intel and AMD chips of the generation (see link above) you get a clear picture that it outperforms in a lot of cases. Apple made the move to Intel because IBM wasn't as aggressive moving forward and their plans for a mobile chip were crap. The G4 could no longer compete against the latest and greatest Intel chips because it was just too old. They had to do something and clearly Intel's unreleased Core architecture was a very big step forward in performance.
Does it outperform the G5? Yes. But Core is the next generation chip, so it should. Apple just moved forward and to the side instead of trying to get IBM to get their shit together with a G6, which would have likely never been crammed into a Powerbook.
So now that we can finally compare oranges to oranges, same processors, similar platforms… you still have to pretend there are faster components inside the stylish yet proprietary overpriced box with the Apple emblem?
We do? I'm not pretending that the hardware is somehow still faster. Nor should any responsible person just generally do this. However, I will say that comparing a Dell and Gateway with very close hardware specs is not a new idea. Hardware configs have always differed in actual real-world speeds. If someone's running lab tests and they have XP running on a MacBook vs XP running on a Dell and the results show Apple ahead, then there it is. That doesn't mean a Gateway with the same hardware couldn't then best the Apple. This happens all the time.
There have been tests comparing Windows XP on the new MacBooks that find the MacBooks doing quite well in terms of speed. So you're saying it's the exact same hardware, but they somehow get these results. Is it a conspiracy? Comparison Tests
The fact is there's no spin that I have seen to make people believe Apple is still empirically faster with the same hardware specs.
Julio Franco is the Editor in Chief at TechSpot.com. He also happens to own an iPod, a Mac, along with a few PCs. No flaming necessary on Apple’s user’s side as I am one, too. Just trying to put some fairness on the entire BS you can come across out there.
I appreciate Mr. Franco's opinions, but I wrote this response because I feel that a lot of what he's written sounds as thought it lacks factual basis.
What amazed me even more, were some of the commenters who replied to the article. Here are a few...
Also, to the guy above, for 1200 I could piece together a PC that would blow the socks off of apples offering.. I believe that is what the author was getting at.
Hi dumbass, you could put together a computer yourself on the cheap that would compare or beat any machine put together by a manufacturer. That's not saying anything. Go price out an actual PC with the same hardware as a Mac and look at the price differences. That's the topic. No one doubts that hobbyists can do better for cheaper, but that's not only in regards to Apple.
A dell XPS laptop for 1400 beats apples intel based ibook in price and performance.
There is no Intel based iBook at this time, so right you are! If you're comparing the Dell to a current iBook with a piddly G4 from 2 generations ago, then whoopdy-doo. Bring a real argument to the table.
The OS X UI is taking (Waisting in this case) more processor power than any games for Win.
I'll call you Mr. Megadumb. Dear Mr. Megadumb, understand that the OS X UI uses Quartz which makes use of the 3D video card for a majority of the effects, not the processor. And yes, it does eat a little more power than Windows XP, but not than a 3D game. Also it's called progress, get used to it. Oh, and Vista will be doing things the same way with hardware requirements that go far beyond OS X, just for the OS to run, so enjoy.
WHEN the iPod era ends, Apple will be back to where they started and will have to develop another gimmicky product. iPod - the TAZO of the new millennium.
If gimmicks monopolize 80% of the market, last for several years, and piss people like you off for no apparent reason other than you hate "popular" things then I guess that makes Windows a gimmick as well.
Okay, well that was fun. My take on all this Windows vs Mac shit is that overall OS X is a more advanced OS. Period. Vista is sure to level the playing field considerably. I prefer Mac. I don't care if you do or not, but don't go around preaching nonsense and fact-less garbage. Make a real point.
That is all.



Comments
Shane -- I worry daily about your head exploding as you grapple with the teeming masses! Why not leave the ignorant and uninformed to bask in their own misfortune... leaves the Apple gene pool that much purer for the rest of us. -Marty
Posted by: Marty | April 13, 2006 9:26 AM
Well in this case the target of my rant is the Editor in Chief of the site, which is a pretty popular tech site.
Normally I try and leave the individuals alone, but when an editor goes making bastardized claims like this I have to respond. It's just in my nature.
I just added the user comments for some extra fun. :)
Posted by: BishopGrey | April 13, 2006 10:29 AM
Right on. I'm sick of the FUD the PC zealots spread. I don't understand why they can't just accept that there are different tools for different jobs. I own a crappy Windows box to run CounterStrike on, and when I get my next Intel based Mac it will certainly have a Windows install for my gaming needs. Best of both worlds...
Posted by: Tom Morrisey | July 10, 2006 11:36 AM
OK, first of all i dont know what site you got your price from thats not even close. And you can do all the speed tests overclocking and anything else you want to do to test the speed of a chip your never going to know how fast it is until you run things on it. Plus, no pcs do have 80% of the software market its just not programs you may use. As you can tell i grew up pc, but that doesnt make me iggnorent about macs i use them everyday in school. They dont run anything the right way, and up until recently they froze everyday. Ive been running my windows pc in my room for three months now never even restarted it. Back to he price thing. 600 dollors to add a SATA 500gig hard drive your gonna tell me thats not overpriced. Even if we look at your model the dell your getting almost a gig faster chip and paying less. If you want to see a real model to gateway(fuck dell) and build a model the same way top it out. When you get to macs memory section and they charge you $5700 to max out memory.. your overpaying but im not saying macs are bad they just dont compare to pcs in the buiness/gaming world. The reason apple has such good security is because no mac protects anything of value, banks, goverment, online shopping none of them use mac anything. Macs world is audio/video/graphic arts and thats what they excel at.
Posted by: Mac Hater | January 22, 2007 2:13 PM
Well Mac Hater, thank you for proving my point. Obviously no one thinks they're ignorant, so you've simply proven that you are both mistaken and too arrogant to realize it.
I got my price from the Dell web site and (if you knew what you were talking about) you'd know that prices on such sites change "constantly" not to mention the model I priced out at the time of writing this is no longer offered. So yes it is 100% accurate for when this was written.
PCs have 80% of the software market? What are you talking about? Do you mean Windows only apps have 80% of the market? If so, that's flat out wrong and where do you get this information?
No, growing up PC doesn't make you "iggnorent" - I grew up the same way, but not accepting reality does make you just plain stubborn.
Okay, so "you" have run "your" PC for 3 months without a restart. What bearing does this have on what I've written? I have a Mac mini that has not been restarted in almost a year. What's your point?
And what 500gig HD are you talking about for $600? I didn't mention anything like that, and if you price out an upgrade from a 250gb drive to 750gb on Apple's site (right now), it's $399 so that's less than $1 a gig. Not a good price when compared to going out and buying one yourself, no. But my point is that Apple's configurations are on par with other OEMs, not that they sell components cheaper than you can find if you built your own machine.
I can't believe you said "Even if we look at your model the dell your getting almost a gig faster chip and paying less." Once again showing your lack of knowledge. Look into the Pentium-D chips. They're old. Clock speed stopped being a good guage for chips long ago and with a Core 2 Duo you're getting a lot more performance from that 2ghz chip than you are from the Pentium-D.
So Macs at school crash a lot. Okay, and? Are they taken care of? Are they old? What version of OSX do they run? Why did they recently stop crashing so much? This is very ambiguous and I feel like there's more to this. Regardless, any computer can and will crash a lot if it's misused or filled with a bunch of crap. Again, this was not a point of mine to say Macs don't crash as much as PCs. They're both fairly stable platforms although with malware and virus threats, PCs are more of a pain to maintain.
And then you recommend Gateway over Dell? Seriously, this is a joke, right? Among PCs Gateway is a joke in terms of quality. Yes, they're cheap. They almost went bankrupt last year too after losing so much business. Sorry, how can I take you seriously now?
Now onto RAM. Yes, RAM is always more at an OEM, I compared the configuration, not what they charge for upgrades. Dell, Gateway, they all rip you off if you buy RAM from them. However, the RAM you're talking about at $5700 is being taken out of context. That's FB-DIMM ECC RAM which is meant for mission critical work and is thus much more expensive. Even if you go to PriceGrabber to get a cheapo brand of the same RAM, it comes to $3900 for 16GB and that's at wholesale prices and it's a cheap brand of RAM at that, which I'd never recommend getting.
Also, at Gateway, you can only get FB-DIMMs in their servers and that'll cost $4,310 and it's not ECC, which makes RAM quite a bit more expensive. Regardless, I wouldn't buy RAM from an OEM no matter who it was, so this point of yours is moot.
No Macs protect anything of value? Hmmm, you may want to tell that to the past few companies I've worked for that have been almost 80% Mac and handle their accounting and finances on the "Unix" XServes. The fact that you still think Macs are all audio/video/graphic again reveals your level of experience with them.
I have a couple of IT friends I know that switched to a MacBook Pro as their main machine. Why? Simple, out of the box Unix command shell and the ability to dual boot Windows in case they're working on a Windows-only area of their office's network. So what is it that makes you think Macs are design and graphics only? Both Macs and PCs have apps to do the same functions.
As far as I can tell, you've made a bunch of non-points that are either inaccurate or unsupported. Look for a follow-up to this post where I'll compare a "Gateway" to a Mac.
Posted by: Shane | January 22, 2007 4:20 PM